For information about Sloan, at www.sloan.org. You're going to keep giving him what, 450 volts every shot now? There's you, and there's two other participants. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. And he says, "Because of the rage." He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas.". And as soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. "Well, why can't you deal with it in a normal way?" The good Iago who makes you want to shower the minute you leave the theater 'cause you are sullied by him. And it's just sort of approaching. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. ", Yeah, we just need a whole lot more of one simple-. I- horrified is- I was- I was pretty stunned. At high temperature. They brought in psychiatrists and forensic psychologists to try to get an answer. And, like, it kind of, like, hurt his feelings. So, here's the interesting thing. He knew about it. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslem is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. And he throws himself at one of the central issues facing Germany at that time. By this point, David moved on to a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. After all, he knows what he can stand. It's absolutely essential. That's Fritz Haber's wife. In the best of your memory, which word was matched with nice? He brings her up as an example of a- of a woman that he actually had strong feelings for. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. Do you think that more studies of this sort should be carried out?" But we will do it on our own if we think it's good.". She expressed disapproval about his clothing choices. Right. [inaudible 01:00:01] is I- I went back one time before [inaudible 01:00:05] that I, uh, like I said, I got to get it out. I don't know, I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed, I-. And it's kind of surprising. It has enough, what they used to call then solar energy. Thank you to Jim Shapiro, whose most recent book is called Contested Will. How could you? But in all of these other scenarios, they don't. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. Look. Terrestrials: A New Kids Show from Radiolab. So, you see, it's just in that one experiment that 65% of people are willing to go all the way. And also thank you to Alex Haslem, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. And then she said, "I actually did this. Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. A liquid. Scattered One dead dad. And Iago-, He refuses what we fully expect, and what everybody on stage, at that moment, fully expects from him. Was it nice day, nice sky, nice job, or nice chair? It's like playing dirty. We will begin with this test-. We'll be right back. The Bad Show Jul 27, 2018. Thanks to all our great storytellers, Dan Charles, Sam Kean, Latif Nassar, Fred Kaufman, and Fritz Stern. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says. Said, "Deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns, and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench them with their tears. I- I know it was more than [inaudible 00:59:44]. Gary is dancing around this topic, Gary had denied this to his own lawyers. It was actually a crushing blow for- for him. Yes, I did mean to kill. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. This is what totally pulled me into this story, the prods. They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. They're engaged with the task. The fourth prod is. Live shows were first offered in 2008. Maria Matasar-Padilla is our managing director. I'm about to help this quest for knowledge, I really want to do a good job.". Thousands of people have done it before you. Up until that point, Gary refused to say, "That from the minute I picked these women up, I wanted to kill them." Is that nitrogen is [tryvalent 00:31:48]. In that why, in that one simple why that he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. It's a graphic or an illustrated novel. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a free audiobook. Okay. Thanks. And that's all the difference in the world. Alex Haslem, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. He would deny things. The time now is 08:36 hours. I mean, that was makebelieve, but if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room and subject that person to questioning, and really get him to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. He was always smoking his Virginian cigars. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. I'm going to take a break. And why I cared for her because I dated her before, but this day didn't turn out right. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film. Quite literally. He actually was very humiliated that Germany had lost, and especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. And it's moving at about one meter per second. Because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it This trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy that's released, it could be used for life or death. But the questions in the air, at the time, were very real. I'm going to resign.". I'm not saying a word. Okay, well actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. And every time that guy got a word wrong-. Well, we'll have to discontinue the experiment then. He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. Alex Haslam, professor of psychology at the University of Exeter. He's working with chemicals. He goes straight to the German [inaudible 00:36:56] and- and he pitches this idea. I just needed to kill her." His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. No one has a monopoly on bad. And everyone thought, "Well, we know the solution. I'll give you bad. Of course normally just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. And a mysterious past. He actually was very humiliated, uh, that Germany had lost. And, uh, she had got a disgusted look on her face and said that he was up in the bedroom. All right. But we thought we would- we would play this show, uh, about a little bit of bad that is in all of us. There's lots and lots of lessons here, but one is I think, you know, when you are enjoying to do something for the greater good, maybe ask yourself the question, what is greater and what is good? Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. But the generals were not all that convinced. We asked, "Who do you think about killing?" ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of-, There's a moment in the play when Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently. And he goes home for a few days. Radiolab is supported by Audible. Uh, she, uh, expressed disapproval about his, um, clothing choices. I'm Jad Abumrad. Radiolab Presents: More Perfect - The Gun Show 69:05 : Feb 23, 2018: The Curious Case of the Russian Flash Mob at the West Palm Beach Cheesecake Factory 00:00:00 : Feb 19, 2018: Smarty Plants 34:54 : Feb 13, 2018: Ghosts of Football Past 36:40 : Feb 3, 2018: Radiolab Presents: More Perfect - One Nation, Under Money 55:04 : Jan 31, 2018 And he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. And the infinity of gray spaces in between. In front of this really impressive looking machine. And actually, this wasn't just the German thing. Maybe this is the time they tell them to go brush their teeth or something. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? We have kids in the- in the room. I can't quite place him. Radiolab. Obviously no need to be alarmed. Leaving a son, a- a- alone with his dead mother. Well I can use that same process-. When I picked them up, I was going to kill them." Shoots herself in the chest. They're supposedly chums, but General Othello has no idea that Iago-. with Lulu Miller, and Latif Nasser. Walk- walk away. Because if they're going to record it, I mean I'm going to record it here to but [inaudible 00:27:30]. Dan doesn't think so. Thanks to all our great storytellers. Like, you can't throw that air onto a plant (laughing). Especially when it came to one particular fact. Now that's important. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and set them upright at their dear friend's door. Up until that point, Gary refused to say that "From the minute I picked these women up I wanted to kill them." Just to put that into context and to bring a few other of our storytellers in. Let's expect more from technology, let's put smart to work, visit ibm.com/smart to learn more. Accuracy and availability may vary. And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. Sixty-five percent-, To shock their fellow citizens, over and over again-. I- I- I would say in a powerful mood. I've just got the, uh, the data from the Milgram. Direct your voice toward that microphone in the room [inaudible 00:20:33]-, So they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow, this is really important. 10s, 10, 15, 20 times. Tell us anything about [inaudible 00:58:03]-. He would have each subject sit down at a table. There's a sort of chilling comparison which is a speech that Himmler gave to some SS leaders when they were about to commit a range of atrocities. It is, arguably, the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. And even when they do say, "Yes." Yeah, me too. Okay. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, _really _bad that's in some of us. "It's okay to admit this, you need to admit this.". And in experiment number four, when the teacher has to hold the learner's hand down-, If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man-. And this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". It's absolutely essential that you continue. Pat, go ahead. This next part's a little graphic. 35.3M . And he says, "That's what people wanted. There's a pause and my father just says. And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. Yep, women participants, he had an experimenter who wasn't a scientist, but was a member of the general public. Um, we lived together for a couple months. Radiolab is supported by Casper. So there's a way in which there's a touch of spark of humanity. So, wait, if it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-. And while you're doing that, just give me your finger. Literally disappeared for six months and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. He had snapped. We were just enacting an old very famous experiment you may have heard about. Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. What he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. This is what's driving the world towards 10, 12, by 2050. And then, walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says-. They couldn't deploy it. This is RadioLab. Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camp? Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood? New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. Necrophilia. Accuracy and availability may vary. Our- our friend. Okay. And that we're not going to be shocked with anything-. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him, certifiably, to all these crimes. What does he say? He had an attack or something there. You better check in on him sir. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. I- I- I- well (laughs). But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod And this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006; total disobedience. And so I expanded the sample where we asked about 5,000 people-. This is just a tsunami of evil-, And at the very end of the play, when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? His wife went into hiding. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. So, these are some word pairs. That's historian, Fritz Stern, who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. He would obscure. He would deny things, he would obscure, he would dance around things. And 91% of the men said yes. Right. You've touched me. Just trying to imagine that. Sounds insane. And to make the problem even more annoying. The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents, to Good Humor men, and plumbers. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. 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