So, if you like a guy and want to invite yourself over to his place, then there are many tips you can try. Why? But then I worry she will think Im pre-emptively avoiding her. There aren't any hard and fast rules. Even as a kid it mortified me, people would laugh when I rang the bell or knocked on the door. It can also feel shameful if you have been to the person whos visitings house, and their place is/seems spotless, fancy, and smells like freshly baked pie, and then they want to come and visit you and your place isvery much not like that. Speaking for myself, personally, a same day text or phone call that says Im going to be in your area, are you free to hang out later for a bit? from a friend is more than fine but an unannounced and unexpected knock on my door, like, Hi, Im already here here to hang out with you! is pretty strange. Thats one culturally-specific example, and I dont want it to create a spiral of you/everyone-who-reads-this second-guessing the reality of everyones invitations, but I think there is something that you can adapt from it, dear Letter Writer:If a soon/later/in the near future suggestion by you or invitation from someone else seems unclear, clarify it by suggesting or asking about a definite time and place. Its so dependent on individuals. People arguing to come over when I dont want them. Thank you for this post! I have a very good friend who does this. Copyright. I totally agree with youthat comment seemed kind of shamey, like things were so much better when people actually talked to each other kind of thing that we get when the topic of talking to strangers comes up. But I wanted to say it isnt as simple as saying people with anxiety must have hated that prior culture. If FriendSpouse is busy, Friend has been OK with me just coming by, but (because *I* dont like it) I tend not to want to do that, and the upshot is that a lot of FriendPlans turn into FriendMissedOpportunities because Im waiting for a text or call because wed already said we wanted to hang out, but Friend is assuming that Ill take the initiative because I know that Friend will forget. Often, when a guy invites you over, it could be because he is wanting to take the relationship to the next level and make a move. A free guide to getting past social awkwardness, you're not sure if people are really interested in being friends with you or not. One time I asked about the price of something, and she gave me the Miss Manners stare for asking such a nosy question. You are getting the chills and feel like you want to go home with him. It was normal to just knock on their door on our way back from class to see if they were home/wanted to hang out. It appears that the situation has changed, but I dont think theres anything to be gained by retroactively criticizing the LW for something which we cant know the appropriateness or not of at the time. We actually moved to a new unit in our complex to get away from her. Uurghhrggghh you bet that any child of mine will be raised with a HUGE feelings-related vocabulary (I pretty much only knew happy, angry, sad until my teens?) If she shouts at you? Does she ever reciprocate, either by visiting you or by explicitly inviting you? Or if it was only a medium anxiety day I could have a brief chat with them on the stoop/porch and then decline the offer to hang out saying I was in the middle of something. Everybody who shows up at the door is invited in out of the weather and offered a drink and a place to sit. Things have changed since I was young. Not everyone does. Cookie Notice I've been writing about social skills for fifteen years. This is a more specific but still open ended suggestion that allows them to specify how much time they have to devote to hanging out, and pick a place that is convenient to them. Your flat is absolutely not an option, so the best thing to do here is just to go ahead and ask him. Id rather get a text than have them come down the steep staircase to get me, or have to keep running up those stairs to see if theyve arrived. I like to be left blessedly alone without the shoulders-up-around-my-ears anticipation that I am about to get invaded or called ten times in a row about bullshit, which is a feeling I have pretty much all the time when not at work or when it is not between midnight and five AM, the time when my mother might be unconscious for a few blessed hours, because all other times of the day are possible nMom intrusion times, either in person or by phone (and, if I dont answer the phone, she will definitely show up in person). Yes to this Meanwhile I prefer for casual-visit to mean lets go out to the coffee shop, even though that really strains my budget, because I both have executive function issues that affect my house and experience a lot of shame over those issues. and my shame level is much much higher and so I never have people over without a sometimes-tearful marathon clean that leaves me too exhausted to enjoy it. Some will even have the gall to ask if they can bring groups of their friends mind you, these are people Ive never met before in my life so that I can fucking host a group of strangers on my vacation! (I particularly dislike it when someone asks are you free this weekend without specifying why they are asking!) I completely plan to be where we said, when we said! I think she was taken aback when I said Its a church wedding so of course its open to the public anyone in the congregation can attend. She was angling for a personal invite. It'd be too much trouble to formally ask everyone each time. All the adults in the household work full time, they have kids, they have pets, they have physical disabilities couple any one of those with feelings of shame over a cluttered or messy living space, and youre there. He wasnt working when I arrived-he was naked, getting ready to shower. It helps to hear that this was inappropriate. My example above works well for both his and my anxieties. I am saving the galaxy right now from assimilation because I will never solve it, and yet it keeps looping. Thinking about this some more, the bottom line for me about how much arranging is needed beforehand is how much am I going to have to change my plans now that you are here? Just Im coming over to do/help with/talk about x,y, and z. and Id have to scramble for an excuse. When people show up unexpectedly it depends on if its an annoyance for me. Another thing you can do is call him up and say that the friends went to another party and that you have to wait for them since you do not have a ride home. I'm telling you from experience: Nothing is going to kill the vibe quicker than a dirty, dank, disgusting apartment. And if I were that one in a situation and someone brought it up before or after I would wonder if they were doing it passive aggressively and I would be reevaluating our relationship a bit. She, the etiquette queen, would leave me hanging for months before answering. Later, after invites had gone out and the spares were given to the Bride, Bride told housemate to tell me I was invited verbally while at some other event. This. Im just careful to make sure that no one is going to see it as passive aggressive middle school behavior. I dont really see the problem there, you were invited, you didnt want to go so you declined. If we were early, shed make my father drive us around the block until the correct time. Come for dinner tonight at 8:00 is an invitation, Come by later is Hey, glad to see you, we should catch up at length soon. I havent spent time in Brazil, so I dont know if thats a Brazilian thing or a dudes-who-grew-up-with-M-specifically-where-he-grew-up thing but it is a real thing, and M. has had to rethink and clarify it for American friends now that he lives here. In the other case making plans was nearly impossible and incredibly inconvenient, so dropping by felt like a nice surprise. How Should I Handle My Man Forgetting My Best Man Poem Ideas for a Brother's Wedding. Yeah the idea of being judged for passing through and not stopping and diverting your route to go see someone every time? Girl, if cooking is one of your love languages then there is no better way to show him you care by making a delicious home-cooked meal. Well, is he Northern European or from the Northeast Atlantic Archipelago? And mine is people that wont stop by even when theyre in the area, even if they are driving right by, even if they have nothing pressing to do, JUST because some people think its rude. That was not about you. *Maybe* they came in super quick to pee because they were on a long hike across the neighborhood, but that was it. and there are a few people at church Ive invited. I actually wanted to start dinner like an hour ago. Floordrobe! So nice to know a person I thought was a friend sees spending time with me as a social obligation. Awful. . I dont see whats wrong with this type of text (or phone call) in general, though if a person has anxiety about getting texts / phone calls, I wouldnt do it so as to respect their feelings. (For myself, its exhausting and I dislike the constant stream of people; but I try to be friendly and pleasant, and dream of days when shes moved out or Ive moved somewhere more secluded. My current circle has enough meetups coordinated through non-Facebook means that I dont mind missing the occasional Facebook-only one, but when I lived in a different city with a different social circle I actually picked one person I was closer to and asked her to be my Facebook mole If you see a whole-group invitation go out via Facebook, could you email me about it? Ive had way too many experiences of feeling like Im intruding to do otherwise. Kind of like enthusiastic consent enthusiastic social engagement invitations are not the same as passive or silent asset to host/ failure to resist a self-invitation. ), This doesnt mean it cant be okay in specific workplaces, or with specific people! But arkadyrose was talking about wedding with one person and another person inserted themself into the conversation. Followed by pedicures and an outdoor screening of Clueless? I want you! It's my birthday and I hope you won't be left out. But now you *do* know and can comport yourself appropriately with that friend. i wouldve invited you up! Even if Britney WAS DD as well, that wouldnt be the issue, and bringing in suggestions that shes just like a three-year-old are weird and ableist. And no expectations of hospitality or cleaning, just hey, was passing and saw you were home! It was always tacitly acknowledged that it was literally a Hi/bye!. (However if it is D&D weekend I might just tell you to come over anyway!). By. It's not a good idea to let someone into your home until you really trust him. Me and my best friend, whose kids are really close with my kids, have our kids on opposite weekends Theres often the necessity of figuring out Okay is {kid} at her moms this weekend or her dads? I am never trying to go along with them to a place they were already going/were. Which, actually seems a little counter intuitive, because youre asking them to make an additional effort to hang out with you, instead of you just tagging along, or showing up, they have to put on their going outside pants. I said yes! So then I instinctively want to police myself away from being That Person, etc.). 1.6. Similarly, when someone picks me up, its easier for them to text me because I live in a basement apartment that you enter through a gate that locks from the inside. Asking someone over to hang out at your house is much more personal if you ask him in person -- when that's possible and practical. Likewise that does come across as very clingy and needy to me. Its just no longer prudent to do so, unfortunately. I tend to go for is this a partners-also thing or a just-us thing? it means theyre not being asked to make a statement of whether or not my partner, specifically, is welcome. Tbh from what I see on YouTube, it's kind of normal to ask if you can come over to hang out. Much communication later, of course, things were happier. Yeah, his reaction was so weird. Privacy Policy. It happens in Chicago, too, and I hate it (although Im used to it). I too have been in a fairly fighty friendship that was often, like you say: wow I have no idea why we are in this situation. It's one thing to show up at a party, it's another to insert yourself into a four-day excursion. Its funny, because my boyfriend is the opposite. I also thought I was bad at social cues because reading social cues seemed to mean so much more than just interpreting someones face and words correctly. WE DONT KNOW. If youre her friend and she likes you, she actively enjoys unexpected knocks on the door and quick visits that end up taking the entire afternoon. Remember to be also clear about when you intend to arrive and take your leave so that he does not feel bombarded. People would say to me things like, Oh, we should get together soon! and Id say, Yeah, lets do that! Then Id wait for them to call me, because in the culture I grew up in, a person wouldnt extend themselves to say we should get together unless they really wanted to do that, and maybe they just had to go home first and check their calendar and the person who was on the receiving end of the invitation shouldnt call the other person, because it would be rude and demanding to not take them at their word. I then, with friends who I had invited, discussed details of the plans and ideas and asked for opinions. If they dont act like they like me (even if they actually do but dont bother to behave like they do), they obviously dont want to really be friends. Myself I like more notice. Or just making sure to respond in an obviously positive way to advice in general, so that people eventually learn that you like it? organized? . Or a sitting room. Its what it says on the tin! Ive found its best to assume people are of the former type until they explicitly tell you theyre the latter. *and also fishies* You can make plans to meet up with them during their lunch hour, but you dont interrupt them whilst theyre working; I dont know if thats a British (specifically London) thing though. Oh also, the good old days when people could just drop by anytime had rules too, they were just different rules. Are usually dealing with various mental issues that prevent them from taking care of household necessities, and they dont deserve to be shamed for that just because you happen to like drop-ins. I mean its not only that they arent invited, but theyre excluded from the conversation almost by default. He isnt a part of me, you know, hes another person that you can invite or not, and Im not a mind reader to know you want him there unless you, well, say so specifically. And articulately. If Im waiting a while, Ill text you and let you know Im here. Letter Writer, I hope this gives you some clarity, and lets you put your dad's mean voice in your head to rest. (As opposed to, we work together and you are telling me about your kids wedding shower or whatever.). I DO think its possible that being someones designated hug-person could get a bit claustrophobic, especially if you are not on for touch stuff all the time. My friend was not receptive to this type of hang-out (she is the kind who shame-cleans SO HARD, so I think an unannounced visit is a tiny version of Hell for her). I can still say no of course, but it becomes rather rocky when it shouldnt have to. ", (Hearing about a party an acquaintance is throwing) "Sounds like fun. I used to live in a basement apartment. Ask him if it is cool to come over or if he would keep you company while your friends come back. Hah. Show up with boyfriend to events that are pretty obviously not SO friendly (girls only brunches/nights out) I am a very cuddly person; if we are on hugging terms, 99% of the time I want a hug. Ill say something like I didnt know I was invited because nobody actually told me I was, and Id think it would be rude of me to just show up And theyll shrug and go, well, of course you were invited! Even with friends who I am 100% sure would welcome me showing up unexpectedly, its still a nice thing to do! For instance, from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., you won't discuss chores around the house or the kids (unless it's an emergency) because it pulls you and everyone in the house out of work mode into house . Ill also disagree that invitations arent a reflection of friendship. I sort of wish being not in to company was still a thing one could do without being seen as a huge asshole. Keep it short the first time, and keep everything as controlled? Challenging him to a showdown at your place is an effective, low-stakes way to invite him over. Good for you for making them fix it. Its best to assume theyre not into drop-ins unless they make it clear they like that kind of thing. They are not uncivilized roobs its just the norms of the very casual social culture in which they travel. However, we dont live near Vacation Place, so we never get invited to their places, its always them wanting to show up when we arrive. This is a very interesting topic. Youve probably been dating him for a couple of weeks and now feel the need to take things to the next level and are wondering whether it is prudent to invite yourself over to his house. Britney: No, WERE (gestures back and forth between me and her) going out. He only ever is here for 15 minutes and hes been my husbands friend for more than 20 years so I dont feel as if I can be as agressive about my boundaries as I normally am. This is all excellent. Luckily, subtle politeness is allowed. I just recently reconnected with a friends who I lost touch with because of our different expectations. Yet because these folks are in my social orbit, its pretty obvious that if they want to make time for some other activity or person (not necessarily even a friend) they can usually manage to find it. Im actually good at reading body language and other social cues, when everyone around me isnt lying to me all the time. If I was upstairs Id peer around the corner of the stairwell where I could see down the windows at the top of the front doorway so I could tell who was ringing, and if they were reasonable enough to take no for an answer. You talked 10 seconds ago, could you zip it with the honking?? The house I grew up in had a dining room (which was also the lounge) and a sitting room (which was more formal and if there werent guests youd only go in there specifically for quiet time). If he thinks there's a chance you might show up with your suitcase trying to stay the weekend, he'll be more apt to shut your dinner-and-a-movie suggestion down. Members of my family have actually used my disorganization as the butt of jokes (probably out of the misguided belief that they can embarrass me into becoming a neat freak), and then they wonder why I refuse to let them into my home. So hell come back! You can be nice and tell her youll be leaving for fun thing at 3:15. If its an emergency situation or a hey I remembered that I borrowed this from you or that you wanted to borrow this so I thought Id drop it off and then get back on my way Im ok with it. I am just a very messy person (which is sometimes exacerbated by depression). People have different friend relationships, different notions of what is appropriate at work, and different touch boundaries. Ive dropped in on people, but I make it a point to A) ask if this is an okay time/are they busy/etc and B) not be more than 10 minutes unless I am absolutely sure its okay to hang out for a bit (ie. In another occasion, K told me we should hang out at my other friend, N's, house, without even asking N permission to be there. ", (Hearing some people may meet a club this weekend) "Oh okay. But from the rest of what you say, it sounds like maybe this guy was bad news and always pissed off with you, and certainly his reaction sounds pretty extreme and you sound pretty shaken about what should have been maybe a case of being mildly miffed and saying please can you not do that not screaming at you and being sarcastic. You don't need a whole lot of luggage, and it might be a little scary if he sees you lugging in an entire makeup counter. Most of my visitors seem to think the words Please sit down and let me bring you a cup of tea, mean Please follow me into the kitchen and check out all the dirty dishes and the crumbs on the worktop. Im not asking them to pick up on subtle cues, Im using my words, but they tend to ignore it. SOLIDARITY. Ah gosh, my mum does that all the time! A very important step to take here is to give him prior notice. It shocked me when it happened I am an open-minded person! but the child in question left my kid a quivering wreck after any play time. I have pretty much had it. Especially the part about how Society doesnt have a script for ending friendships. I love this and will use it always. But I also have friends where hey Im heading that way and Ill be there in an hour can I crash on your couch tonight? is completely acceptable (but also comes with a side of being told no, actually I cant crash tonight because kids are sick/family is in town/someone else has the couch). And if that doesn't work, then simply tell him the truth. I care a *lot*, because having my mother constantly belittle me, my housekeeping skills and my space whenever she visits makes my home feel not like a safe space. Good question! Go to a bar or a party that is near his house. My SOs (large, close knit) family is terrible for this, especially since my SO is building a house right now and we have an adorable newborn baby. But I also grew up with the unstated understanding that if you bump into your neighbors mowing the lawn or want to drop off a book and chat, you didnt hang around forever and expect them to re-schedule the afternoon. I want to come to stuff, but I dont log in that often so I miss a lot of posts.. On the flip side I think I need to be nicer to my 6 year old. In those circumstances, you dont enjoy cleaning much, I can tell you. Get him involved in the plans, but don't put him to work. 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